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		<title>By: dhoomketu</title>
		<link>http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200603/the-parlour-game/comment-page-1/#comment-12802</link>
		<dc:creator>dhoomketu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing how I am getting amazing dialogues for the comic strip that Gaurav and I are thinking about? It will be called the Adventures of Fallacyman, who will take on fact-finders, logicians and other super-villains. 

I can picture the fallacyman saying, &quot;Hopefully this emotionally manipulative analogy is able to pierce the cloud of logic by which youâ€™re trying to conceal the true emotions of the matter.&quot; while letting out one blast of emotionally manipulative analogy on unsuspecting logic-lover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing how I am getting amazing dialogues for the comic strip that Gaurav and I are thinking about? It will be called the Adventures of Fallacyman, who will take on fact-finders, logicians and other super-villains. </p>
<p>I can picture the fallacyman saying, &#8220;Hopefully this emotionally manipulative analogy is able to pierce the cloud of logic by which youâ€™re trying to conceal the true emotions of the matter.&#8221; while letting out one blast of emotionally manipulative analogy on unsuspecting logic-lover.</p>
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		<title>By: HyperTree</title>
		<link>http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200603/the-parlour-game/comment-page-1/#comment-12185</link>
		<dc:creator>HyperTree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Appalling how you can logically talk about games when the emotional issue of the very lives of people is being discussed. If there is a parlour game, it is that of the spider of reforms tempting the poor flies of the Indian populace into its parlour. Hopefully this emotionally manipulative analogy is able to pierce the cloud of logic by which you&#039;re trying to conceal the true emotions of the matter.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://hypertree.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HyperTree&lt;/a&gt; shall not take this unemotional libertarian capitalist hegemony of desi blogdom anymore. 
Ravikiran; you&#039;re on notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appalling how you can logically talk about games when the emotional issue of the very lives of people is being discussed. If there is a parlour game, it is that of the spider of reforms tempting the poor flies of the Indian populace into its parlour. Hopefully this emotionally manipulative analogy is able to pierce the cloud of logic by which you&#8217;re trying to conceal the true emotions of the matter.</p>
<p><a href="http://hypertree.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">HyperTree</a> shall not take this unemotional libertarian capitalist hegemony of desi blogdom anymore.<br />
Ravikiran; you&#8217;re on notice.</p>
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		<title>By: Selective Amnesia &#187; Fear not dear soul. Fear not</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selective Amnesia &#187; Fear not dear soul. Fear not</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I would like to dedicate this song to Shivam. For he has proven a worthy successor to the Bhaarathi spirit of fearlessness. It takes guts and a never-say-die spirit to do what he does - write posts that even I, an illogical, typo-jew, can poke holes into. This inspite of knowing fully well what the likes of Ravikiran can do. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I would like to dedicate this song to Shivam. For he has proven a worthy successor to the Bhaarathi spirit of fearlessness. It takes guts and a never-say-die spirit to do what he does &#8211; write posts that even I, an illogical, typo-jew, can poke holes into. This inspite of knowing fully well what the likes of Ravikiran can do. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shivam</title>
		<link>http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200603/the-parlour-game/comment-page-1/#comment-12079</link>
		<dc:creator>Shivam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Ravikiran, you didn&#039;t say anything about this part of my post:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Why are we â€˜reformingâ€™ the economy?

There should be only one answer to that question, but it turns out there are two.

The first answer is that Nehruvian socialism failed to deliver the goods: it failed to drastically eradicate poverty, raise the standard of living of the people, remove social inequalities. In other words, Indiaâ€™s much-touted â€˜mixed economyâ€™ resulted in a dismal â€˜Hindu rate of growthâ€™. Capitalism, even in its regulated form, did the First World much more good: that indeed is the unequivocal conclusion of the Cold War.

The second answer, I gather, is that the state has no right to to â€œstealâ€ public money via taxation and set-up public sector units or run public welfare schemes. This argument says that public taxation is â€˜theftâ€™, that the state is an evil â€˜vampireâ€™, and that use of public money for any â€˜welfareâ€™ schemes is not only unworkable (because of corruption) but also undesirable. This argument does not believe that the state could be doing this with â€˜permissionâ€™ by the people, via democratic elections.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;

In your comment, there&#039;s only one point that I think merits an asnwer: &quot;and you will notice that neither this negative consequence nor this kind of economic growth is unique to the post reforms period. Coal mines were built, dams were constructed and people were displaced even prior to the reforms era.&quot; Leaving the tomfoolery apart, the point is that displacement of people and such like are ignored under the glitter of &#039;Shining India&#039;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Ravikiran, you didn&#8217;t say anything about this part of my post:</p>
<blockquote><p>Why are we â€˜reformingâ€™ the economy?</p>
<p>There should be only one answer to that question, but it turns out there are two.</p>
<p>The first answer is that Nehruvian socialism failed to deliver the goods: it failed to drastically eradicate poverty, raise the standard of living of the people, remove social inequalities. In other words, Indiaâ€™s much-touted â€˜mixed economyâ€™ resulted in a dismal â€˜Hindu rate of growthâ€™. Capitalism, even in its regulated form, did the First World much more good: that indeed is the unequivocal conclusion of the Cold War.</p>
<p>The second answer, I gather, is that the state has no right to to â€œstealâ€ public money via taxation and set-up public sector units or run public welfare schemes. This argument says that public taxation is â€˜theftâ€™, that the state is an evil â€˜vampireâ€™, and that use of public money for any â€˜welfareâ€™ schemes is not only unworkable (because of corruption) but also undesirable. This argument does not believe that the state could be doing this with â€˜permissionâ€™ by the people, via democratic elections.</p></blockquote>
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<p>In your comment, there&#8217;s only one point that I think merits an asnwer: &#8220;and you will notice that neither this negative consequence nor this kind of economic growth is unique to the post reforms period. Coal mines were built, dams were constructed and people were displaced even prior to the reforms era.&#8221; Leaving the tomfoolery apart, the point is that displacement of people and such like are ignored under the glitter of &#8216;Shining India&#8217;.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: DesiPundit &#187; Reforms - do we need them?</title>
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		<dc:creator>DesiPundit &#187; Reforms - do we need them?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update: Ravikiran leads the charge against Shivam&#8217;s seemingly inappropriate question regards reforms [hat tip: Madman] [...]</description>
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