Comments on: In Which I Avoid a Trap Set By Nilu http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/ Where I torture reality till it confesses the truth Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:24:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Ravikiran Rao http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/comment-page-1/#comment-98785 Ravikiran Rao Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:35:42 +0000 http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/#comment-98785 Spoken like a true elitist. You are the beneficiary of a system that prevents millions of your countrymen get a better education and rise through life. But because you have managed to rise a few notches through life, you manage to declare that anecdotal evidence tells you that India has better economic mobility than the US. Spoken like a true elitist. You are the beneficiary of a system that prevents millions of your countrymen get a better education and rise through life. But because you have managed to rise a few notches through life, you manage to declare that anecdotal evidence tells you that India has better economic mobility than the US.

]]> By: HiAgain http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/comment-page-1/#comment-98685 HiAgain Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:49:39 +0000 http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/#comment-98685 I made the mistake of calling economic mobility 'social mobility'. But I consider the former a precursor for the latter. The commonly held view is that economic mobility is high in developing countries. Most of the studies I can find are either from the 90s or use data that date back to the 90s. So they do not include the massive growth seen in developing countries (especially in India). Countries like Bangladesh, Pakistan and Chile have much better economic mobility than developed countries. Others like Peru and Ecuador don't do that badly. Here are a few links: http://www.pegnet.ifw-kiel.de/papers/workshop-2006/asadullah.pdf http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=fQC7Pdr5FLMC&oi=fnd&pg=PA58&dq=%22Grawe%22+%22Intergenerational+Mobility+for+Whom%3F+The+Experience+of+...%22+&ots=7miw28Pnq8&sig=HeegbU_e35vvR32mWyiIONjh0nk#PPA85,M1 http://www.iserp.columbia.edu/news/articles/mexico_mobility.html http://www.economicmobility.org/assets/pdfs/EMP_InternationalComparisons_ChapterIII.pdf It is sort of logical anyway. I made the mistake of calling economic mobility ‘social mobility’. But I consider the former a precursor for the latter.

The commonly held view is that economic mobility is high in developing countries. Most of the studies I can find are either from the 90s or use data that date back to the 90s. So they do not include the massive growth seen in developing countries (especially in India).

Countries like Bangladesh, Pakistan and Chile have much better economic mobility than developed countries. Others like Peru and Ecuador don’t do that badly.

Here are a few links:
http://www.pegnet.ifw-kiel.de/papers/workshop-2006/asadullah.pdf

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=fQC7Pdr5FLMC&oi=fnd&pg=PA58&dq=%22Grawe%22+%22Intergenerational+Mobility+for+Whom%3F+The+Experience+of+…%22+&ots=7miw28Pnq8&sig=HeegbU_e35vvR32mWyiIONjh0nk#PPA85,M1

http://www.iserp.columbia.edu/news/articles/mexico_mobility.html

http://www.economicmobility.org/assets/pdfs/EMP_InternationalComparisons_ChapterIII.pdf

It is sort of logical anyway.

]]> By: Gaurav Sabnis http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/comment-page-1/#comment-98618 Gaurav Sabnis Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:47:34 +0000 http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/#comment-98618 <i>I can say that the Indian system has created better social mobility than even the American one.</i> This sentence shows that the Indian system is enabling better access to quality hallucinogens than the American one. I can say that the Indian system has created better social mobility than even the American one.

This sentence shows that the Indian system is enabling better access to quality hallucinogens than the American one.

]]> By: Kunal http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/comment-page-1/#comment-98446 Kunal Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:37:08 +0000 http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/#comment-98446 Of course, your "paragraph delimiting technique" is clearly superior to mine, as the failure of my comment above amply demonstrates. Ravi, is there really no way to fix this? Of course, your “paragraph delimiting technique” is clearly superior to mine, as the failure of my comment above amply demonstrates. Ravi, is there really no way to fix this?

]]> By: Kunal http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/comment-page-1/#comment-98444 Kunal Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:35:15 +0000 http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/#comment-98444 >>Kunal, you are so cool man! And so clever! You get your cues from xkcd! You are the DUDE! I am in awe of your cleverness. Of course. After all, I can kill you with my brain. >>It’s the government of one of the least elitist and most democratic countries in the world. Though the elitist part might be changing. Other way. >>Private schools can function wherever they want. They just have to get the right accreditation which involves many stipulation Sure, accreditation is definitely a good thing. Nothing wrong with that. >>Again, it brings us back to the point of good enforcement of the law. India is an incredibly poor country. Moreover, it went to several wars. So we always had a paucity of funds. Sorry, what? >>And thanks for responding to my “stupid blog comment” Didn't call it that. >>and copying my paragraph delimiting technique What, you want royalties? >>Anecdotally, I can say that the Indian system has created better social mobility than even the American one. Surely you jest. I mean, surely. >>Kunal, you are so cool man! And so clever! You get your cues from xkcd! You are the DUDE! I am in awe of your cleverness.

Of course. After all, I can kill you with my brain.

>>It’s the government of one of the least elitist and most democratic countries in the world. Though the elitist part might be changing.

Other way.

>>Private schools can function wherever they want. They just have to get the right accreditation which involves many stipulation

Sure, accreditation is definitely a good thing. Nothing wrong with that.

>>Again, it brings us back to the point of good enforcement of the law. India is an incredibly poor country. Moreover, it went to several wars. So we always had a paucity of funds.

Sorry, what?

>>And thanks for responding to my “stupid blog comment”

Didn’t call it that.

>>and copying my paragraph delimiting technique

What, you want royalties?

>>Anecdotally, I can say that the Indian system has created better social mobility than even the American one.

Surely you jest. I mean, surely.

]]> By: Ravikiran Rao http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/comment-page-1/#comment-98412 Ravikiran Rao Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:21:05 +0000 http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/#comment-98412 HiAgain, all of what you are saying is an eyewash to cover up your true motive. You want to keep the vast majority of the country poor, so that they do not compete with you for jobs. HiAgain, all of what you are saying is an eyewash to cover up your true motive. You want to keep the vast majority of the country poor, so that they do not compete with you for jobs.

]]> By: HiAgain http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/comment-page-1/#comment-98398 HiAgain Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:34:16 +0000 http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/#comment-98398 Ravikiran, from a practical perspective I want proactive ways to bring social churn. That would mean affirmative action on the basis of not just caste but class as well. Anecdotally, I can say that the Indian system has created better social mobility than even the American one. I want this to not just continue but improve. Opposing the system that made you rich so that others cannot get rich is not an honourable way. You no longer need the system that helped you get to where you are but others do need it. I can assure you that without the current system in place, I would have been part of a plutocracy. But I want a fairer society because in the longer term only a fair society sustains itself intact thus ensuring the survival of my people and my culture. It is self-interest but with a very long-term perspective and yes it sounds a bit crazy considering the priorities. Ravikiran, from a practical perspective I want proactive ways to bring social churn. That would mean affirmative action on the basis of not just caste but class as well. Anecdotally, I can say that the Indian system has created better social mobility than even the American one. I want this to not just continue but improve.

Opposing the system that made you rich so that others cannot get rich is not an honourable way. You no longer need the system that helped you get to where you are but others do need it. I can assure you that without the current system in place, I would have been part of a plutocracy. But I want a fairer society because in the longer term only a fair society sustains itself intact thus ensuring the survival of my people and my culture. It is self-interest but with a very long-term perspective and yes it sounds a bit crazy considering the priorities.

]]> By: Praada Verna http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/comment-page-1/#comment-98377 Praada Verna Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:03:03 +0000 http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/#comment-98377 Your are really funny Gult. Doesn't understand what you are talking about. Education as service!!!!! God save India from these rats. Your are really funny Gult. Doesn’t understand what you are talking about. Education as service!!!!!
God save India from these rats.

]]> By: Ravikiran Rao http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/comment-page-1/#comment-98363 Ravikiran Rao Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:17:06 +0000 http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/#comment-98363 HiAgain, opposing the system that made us rich is a more honourable course than what you are doing. You are supporting a system that keeps competition for your job low and your salary high. It is understandable that you are doing so, but don't try to justify it using any principle other than self-interest. HiAgain, opposing the system that made us rich is a more honourable course than what you are doing. You are supporting a system that keeps competition for your job low and your salary high. It is understandable that you are doing so, but don’t try to justify it using any principle other than self-interest.

]]> By: Aadisht http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/comment-page-1/#comment-98352 Aadisht Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:20:26 +0000 http://www.ravikiran.com/blog/classic/200804/in-which-i-avoid-a-trap-set-by-nilu/#comment-98352 <em>The only thing that will keep extortion and other illegal activities in check is good and fair law enforcement.</em> . HiAgain, . Not really. Large-scale competition amongst private schools wherein expelling a student is not a credible threat also works. Between that, and demanding that law-enforcement be extended to monitor private schools (difficult, expensive, creates avenues for corruption, and take resources away from stuff like solving murders and rapes), competition seems to be the lesser evil. The only thing that will keep extortion and other illegal activities in check is good and fair law enforcement.
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Not really. Large-scale competition amongst private schools wherein expelling a student is not a credible threat also works. Between that, and demanding that law-enforcement be extended to monitor private schools (difficult, expensive, creates avenues for corruption, and take resources away from stuff like solving murders and rapes), competition seems to be the lesser evil.

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