7 responses to “Ayyo!”

  1. The Examined Life » Blog Archive » The Country of the Blind

    [...] it had remained in  a draft state ever since. The topic I intended to cover has been covered in the post I made in reply to Ritwik today, so there is no  reason to complete this one. But I liked the [...]

  2. Ritwik Priya

    “Now, either this guy’s predictions and methods are reliable or they are not. If they are reliable, then a lot of people will listen to his advice and sell at any level above 500, which means that the stock will fall immediately to 500. So, there is no way you can make money by shorting the stock, which means that the EMH is valid.

    If the guy’s predictions are not reliable, then of course, the EMH is valid.”

    I was only wondering. Now, you have confirmed it.

    Also, from the second link

    “If I were a true believer in the efficient markets hypothesis, I wouldn’t have invested in diversified or sectoral funds at all. But it turns out that in India, because most retail investors are idiots, a well-managed diversified fund can beat the market, so I invest in a few. ”

    Happy Diwali :-)

  3. Ritwik Priya

    Ok,

    1) The validity of the EMH does not depend on the negation of technical analysis. The argument runs the other way round.

    2) “which means that the stock will fall IMMEDIATELY to 500″

    Proving that is EXACTLY the challenge before the EMH, and there have been multiple attempts at doing so. The empirical evidence in support of that is widely contested, and has forced the champions of the EMH (gene Fama and Myron Scholes in particular) to revise and re-revise their arguments multiple times.

    To the best of my knowledge, if one assumes what one has to prove, the argument is called circular.

    Also, if the stock does fall to 500 and then rises, the technical analyst has been proved right. His prediction has been proved right. I wonder how you count this (even with the assumption of immediate fall) as an observation in support of the EMH.

    You are right when you say that the knock-out punch proposed by EMH hasn’t happened. Your reasoning is incomplete if you think that this is so only in India or similar markets. Most of the theoretical opposition to EMH uses S&P 500 and the Dow Jones.

    As for the Indian financial system, actually the only instrument required to make the EMH work is to have the option of short selling, or equivalently, have a well functioning futures market. Both these tools are available to investors/traders on the index and all the 229 stocks that really matter in India.

    You are also right that treating the stock market like a casino makes it a self fulfilling prophecy. But that precisely is the point of the challenge against the EMH!

  4. Ritwik Priya

    OK wait, major confusion here. I did not accuse you of supporting or opposing the EMH in general. And if you read my post, I seem to be in favour of behavioural finance. Which means, by default, that I cannot be a believer in the EMH.

    I only took a swipe at your understanding of the EMH! Nothing more, nothing less.

  5. Gaurav

    Boring !

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