I’m from southern india my opinions with no prejudice or offending intended :

1) Southies movies suck ( though i’m from south ) atleast Bollywood has quality & music & choreography & the actors / actresses look good

2) Many southies though earning high bucks they doesn’t have the basic neatness & i advise them to learn it from the Northies

3) Hate to watch south Indian movies ( Bulll shit!!!) all look one & the samew with the Protagonists with Ugly ( fuck ) faces with dark fatty including quite often Daadi ( beard ) & Muuch ( moustache ). It looks funny they (southies ) feel proud of carrying their F****ng moustache along with their Dark fatty A**. Ridiclous to watch all south actors dancing with the heroines who’re far more fair , slim & younger by many years ( Ugly heroes but cute actresses ( 99% of the heroines / actresses in Southie movies are imported ) ( shame on you Southies !!!). Why don’t you southies import Pamela anderson , carmen electra, kirsten dunst to act with the Kollywood & Tollywood & Malluwood ( guess mollywood or something ) to act alongside the dickhead actors ( southie heroes )

4) I agree that southies are good in IT as techies but rest is all bakwas. I mean all the successful business peole abroad & successful marketing, sales people besides best indian CEO’s are Northies.

5) You ( southies ) say that bollywood uses your Technicality ( i agree your’e the best in Technicality & limited only to india ) but your nothing when compared to the hollywood technicians working for various Indian movies like Brian Jennings ( dasavatharam ). I knew that you (southies ) get all the training from all the feragis ( whites ). I won’t advise you learn something from the ferangis but atleast do learn something from your Northie brothers ( you can’t generalize a race )

6) A westerner would watch a bollywood movie than the Cocksucking shit ( southie movie - all are crap ). Even Rehmans music sucks ( he copy’s from all over the world & mixes & name it as a fusion music )

7) Exposing & Semi nude dances are more in south folm industry & not in Bollywood ( You can’t beat bollywood in music, quality in making )

AAj ka jamane mey i find more bitches in south than in the North . I say south Indian culture is a F***ed up culture ( new evolution!!!)

9) English spoken by southies is pathetic with funny accents & high MTI & the only people who’re good in english communication ( worked in 5 cities / metroes in India ) are north indians.

10) You ( southies ) won’t learn hindi which is the most simple & the sweetest language of India ( I learned it fluently in a month ) 3 years back while i’m in North India ( Thanks to the North India ) & now my commincation is so good that people feel i’m a north indian & i only converse in hindi & english in all the south indian cities except in my hometown ( a small town in south India )

11) Probably i feel your shit ( kaala southie movies ) can better be watched by americans & europeans. Why dont you market rajini, maaaaaaamuttyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy( Meri muttyme thumhari land ) films in us, europe & australia. Guess all those ferangis will get obesssed of your ugly dark assed f*** faced heroes ) ( southies )

12) Most southies don’t use a deo & it sucks when they smell like shit.

13) If southies want to learn better english best my advice is to learn hindi start talking in hindi first & start moving with some good Northies ( atleast then you will lear some culture & etiquette Mate!!!)

14) Finally i know that no one is perfect at the end of the day & applies to both Northies & southies. Both the races aren’t bad ( you cant generalize ) but southies need to go a long way to appear like homosapiens first of all

15) Why don’t you ( southies ) make movies with nayanathare & other southie actresses with american black actors ( Their Black D***s will be compatible to your southie bitches in southy movies ) & you can also get some blondes imported or packaged to act along side dark & shabby southies faces.

No offence towards southies learn hindi, be neat & tidy & act practical & dont make yourself funny ( shame on you !!!)

sincerly the truth.

Some of India’s worst current problems can probably be traced to the massive drain of resources, systematic suppression and pauperization of a majority of local artisans, weavers, etc. Consider this: the British levied 70-80% duty on exports from India- for the opposite direction, it was 2-4%! Consider the burden these practices placed on India after 200 years. It was robbery on a scale unprecedented anywhere in the world.

For those who say the British developed infrastructure, the article I quoted above also shows that truth.
Agriculture was severely neglected. Keep in mind that even today, the vast majority of India’s rural masses depend on agriculture. We were left behind by the rest of the world-the rest of Europe, USA were making giant strides in agriculture, industrialization, transportation technology, etc. In other words, we missed the entire industrial revolution. If anyone knows the per capita income data for different countries in the 200 years prior to independence, they will likely find that India’s per capita income stagnated while that of England, European countries, USA grew by the leaps and bounds during this same period.

Some of the major investments the British made in India were to ensure the comfort and luxury of their officers (bungalows, offices, guest houses, etc). They also developed transportation networks to ship away the loot.

HOW WOULD INDIA HAVE LOOKED TODAY HAD THE BRITISH NEVER SET FOOT ON OUR LAND?

Historically, India was a civilization that attained great heights in literature, arts, science, etc, without being seriously threatened by any external powers (Himalayas prevented the Chinese, the oceans prevented the rest). Punjab and parts of North-Western India are probably the exceptions. For no fault of India’s forefathers, the culture and mindset was more attuned to attainment of spiritual knowledge, arts, etc. Contrast this with the Europeans’ heritage of constant warfare, aggression and invasion. Now such a situation would normally still be in India’s favor, provided both parties were equal technologically (from a warfare point of view). Sadly, 250-300 years ago, the Europeans were more advanced with firearms and naval warfare. They were not a 100 hundred years ahead, probably only 30-40 years. But this was enough to create an imbalance and give them an advantage given our naivete.

Had the British not conquered India, undoubtedly the French, Dutch or Portuguese would have gladly substituted for them. We are then left arguing about the relative merits and demerits of these nations.

Let us assume that none of these countries were able to establish themselves in India (it would only have been possible through extremely good fortune). We would have to assume that India’s individual kingdoms were able to detect the threat from the Europeans, understood that the Europeans were a greater threat than their neighbors and feverishly developed their own terrestrial and naval warfare technology. Assume that they formed hasty syndicates to fight off the Europeans.

How would India look today in such a past scenario?

Here’s my rather optimistic attempt: 10 or 15 countries, largely based on linguistic homology. They would be comparable to today’s France, Germany, Italy, Spain, etc. All these countries would be technologically advanced and industrially developed.

There a couple of big IFs here. Ancient Hindusim never considered the development of ~60% of our population-our dalits. In my mind, this is the greatest failing of our great religion (or that of its interpreters). This would have been a huge obstacle to overcome- a huge problem for domestic stability, economic progress and standard of life. The European countries I mentioned never had to face this challenge-they did not have our super-rigid caste system.
Hindu-Muslim relations- I suspect this would not be as major a problem as the above one. The British were at least partly responsible for creating the enmity between our Hindu and Muslim brothers.

TODAY’s INDIA
we the people of India seem to have a huge problem with dealing with democracy. Why do we keep electing the worst kind of people? There are some other aspects to our mindset that I don’t understand. For instance a large percentage of us seem to attach super-humanly noble attributes to some people (tragically to film stars in AP and TN). Perhaps education will solve this problem.

And what about corruption? What made this “who cares?” attitude so common? Something that has carried on from the British rule? Is that where we developed this apathy?

I agree with this - to the rest of the world “Hindu” is synonymous with “Indian”. Raj Krishna just came up with a phrase that had a nice “ring” to it.

Let’s see you respond this:)

Orion:

Before replying to Ramanjuman and the others, I read through your responses to the others. It’s bugging you isn’t it? Realizing that North India has been left far behind, far far behind. In actual fact, it’s kind a laughable how bravely you’re defending North India.

The reality is, in this brave new world of IT,BT,NT and other knowledge technologies, North Indians goose is cooked-and they know it. The world of today is where brains count, not brawn. North Indians know that they’re doomed in the knowledge-era.

Welcome to India’s knowledge capital.

Welcome to south India.

While Chennai competes with New York or Beijing, Lucknow and Patna have become shitholes. While Bangalore competes with Singapore and Hong Kong, Jaipur languishes in the Rajasthani dust. While Tamil Nadu is now becoming another Germany or France, Madhya Pradesh/Bihar/UP/ are called Bimaru states. While Kerala wins global fame for its healthcare and education achievements, Chattisgarh and Jharkhand languish in Naxalism.

There are two Indias today. While Karnataka and Bangalore are on the IT and BT expressway, Punjab and Haryana are busy aborting female feotesus. While AP is becoming the knowledge valley of Asia, with Hyderabad starting to become another Shanghai or Bangkok, Bihar struggles to even build a decent college. AP is on the knowledge highway, with a combination of pharma, IT, BT and emerging technologies. Hyderabad and AP are poised to become the knowledge valley of South Asia with superior education and world-class infrastructure.

Chennai is the automobile capital of India while Tamil Nadu has become another Malaysia or Thailand. Contrast this with Haryana, whose showpiece city Gurgaon has no roads, no water, power, no sewage and no public transport.

It’s not just big cities either. Coimbatore has become a huge industrial hub, Tirupur the knitting hub of Asia and Sivakasi the firecrackers hub of India. All this while Dehradun clings on to its handful of schools, Allabad the fading memory of its once-great University and other cities languish in obscurity.

Who talks about Gwalior, Indore, Jaipur, Faridabad, Kanpur, Patna, Bhopal, Dehradun, Shimla anymore?

But Vizag has become the biggest port in India, Coimbatore an industrial hub bigger than anything in North India, Mysore is emerging as counterpoint to Bangalore while Kochi is an emerging metropolis in its own right.

Kerala actually can become a giant metropolis. With its four airports, excellent roads, skilled, industrious people, long coastline, the whole of Kerala can become a giant city with living standards to boot.

That’s the paradox in India today. While TN and AP increasingly resemble the Asean nations with Bangalore and Hyderabad global cities, Rajasthan and MP are mired in caste politics. While Kerala is fast becoming a first-world country and Chennai the automobile capital of Asia, UP can only think of building statues.

Now is the time to think bigger-much, much bigger for South India. It’s time for the South Indians to benchmark their cities against Bangkok, Singapore, Kaula Lampur, Jakarta, New York, Shanghai and London. Time to leave the rape capital and slum capital of India way, way behind.

Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad must benchmark and beat global cities. Andhra has to benchmark itself against Thailand, Tamil Nadu against South Korea, Karnataka against Malaysia.

Welcome to the future. Welcome to the knowledge economy. Welcome to the India which has logged on to the IT superhighway, the India which leads the world in BT and rules it in IT. The India which the world is watching in bated breath. The India which is being talked about as the next superpower. The India of scientists, engineers, medical tourism, world-class hospitals, bio-tech, info-tech, nano-tech, high quality education and first world standard of living.

Welcome to South India-the gateway to tomorrow.

No offense northies. But you’ve been beaten-fair and square.

Be gracious and admit it.

How exactly do you know that I copied and pasted it? Let me know. I could have written it myself, though the likelihood seems alien to you. Do you think that there are Marathi portals in English:)

As far as IAS/IPS/IFS officers are concerned, please understand one thing (if you can). Politicians can be and are thrown out every five years. They are accountable to the people even if in a somewhat illusory way. Politicians can be voted out of power.

IAS/IPS/IFS officers cannot be thrown out or removed-ever. They actually run the country. They take the key decisions and are in charge of governance. The bureacracy has the responsibility of actual implementation. Politicians may make promises but it’s upto bureacracts to implement them. In other words, regardless of how corrupt, inefficient, lazy or irresponsible or downright evil an officer is, nothing can be done against him. Other than transferring him to some remote district. There too, because there are no checks on him, whether he comes to work or not makes no difference.

If governance in this country is as bad it is, then IAS/IPS officers etc have to take a lot of the blame. There’s no point trying to make them out to be geniuses. The SE Asian countries didn’t have any IAS and have done a far better job of providing basic services to their citizens, as have China and even some countries in Latin America. Countries without any IAS/IPS officers have done much better than us in serving their citizens and providing some minimum services-that’s the truth, whether you like it or not.

The IAS officers are a law unto themselves. Irrespective of whether they perform or not, work or not, deliver the goods or not, they cannot be touched. They cannot be sacked nor even punished in any way. Quite simply, regardless of how determined a politician might be, the bureacracy can prevent any of his efforts from bearing fruit. You can want a project to be up and running in six months-it can take six,sixteen or 60 years if the bureacracy wants it.

Politicians come and go, the IAS/IPS officers actually RUN the country. Whatever you see in India, good or bad, they, as much as the politicians are responsible. The mess that we see in India today is their creation.

Roads are bad, garbage doesn’t get collected, streetlights aren’t switched off, traffic is unregulated, public toilets are unusable, there’s shit and urine everywhere, public transport is horrible (if at all it exists), slum dwellers grab any open piece of land they can and get away with it, the pollution is so bad that you can’t breathe properly, the traffic is so bad you can spend hours just stuck waiting to work or coming back home, power goes off everday for several hours together, water comes only for a few hours in a day, you have to hire private security guards for everything because policing is so bad, mounds of garbage lie uncollected everywhere, huge potholes open up with a few minutes of rainfall, pavements are taken over by hawkers, trees are chopped down without thinking once (let alone twice), milk and food adulteration is rampant, flyovers and other infrastructure projects run into delays lasting months, if not years (Delhi’s Shahdara flyover, Bangalore’s KC Circle flyover, Hyderabad’s Jamai Osmania flyover, Chennai’s Kathipara, Pune’s agriculture college flyover just to give a few examples) acres and acres of farm land on the outskirts of the cities are converted to residential townships and shopping complexes and what not sans even the slightest of planning or forethought resulting in the ugliest of urban sprawl, illegal and unauthorized construction happening everywhere (Delhi’s Sainik Farms to give one infamous example), drainage systems which collapse with a few centimetres of rain, vanishing public spaces for children to play, high rise buildings coming up in areas entirely incapable of providing amenities for them, glass & steel monstrosities which change the climate of the place and need artifical airconditioning springing up everywhere, malls, multiplexes and resteraunts having no provision for parking resulting in a virtual war over parking space in every major city, vanishing greenery

come my dear Orion, come and see city government hospitals without medecines, without syringes, without needles, often without swabs and sometimes without even enough cotton. Come and see blood stained bedclothes, soiled sheets and pillows, the filthy unflushed toilets, no pillows or pillow cases,
the abonimable attitude of the nurses and doctors (if at all they are on duty).

Go into any government-run school and see how

Mind you, that’s just the BIG cities. The smaller towns, most of them anyway, are infinitely worse. Even basic education and health facilties are absent or scarce. As for the villages, the less said the better.

Who’s responsible for the above state of affairs? The Corporation. Who’s in charge of the Corporation-the Municiapl Commissoner. He calls the shots by and large, unless there’s an elected mayoral system which by and large we don’t have, other than Chennai. Who’s the Commissioner-an IAS officer-ALWAYS.

Policing-who’s in charge? The Police Department-who’s in charge of it? Who takes the key decisions, who actually decides what’s to be done, who calls the shots? The DCP, ACP, SP, Inspector-General and above, right up to the Chief of Police. Who are they? All, All, IPS officers. Always IPS officers.

Traffic police, who’s responsible? Same story as above. What about roads? Generally in India, roads are constructed by two bodies, the SRCC (state road development/construction corporation) and the PWD and/or the roads and buildings department. All these are generally headed by IAS officers.

City hospitals come under the Health Department, again headed by the Secretary to the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare and Medical Education. Who is he or she? An IAS officer.

What about Public Transport? All bus transport services, be it BMTC, APSRTC, MTC, PMT et etc, are headed by IAS officers. You can check it out for yourself.

BEST in Mumbai is an exception. Not surprisingly, BEST is the best bus service in India.

How about education? Again there’s a ministry in charge of education. It’s day to day running is taken care of by-you guessed it-IAS officers.

How about the other departments i.e. sewage and drainage, traffic control and management, crime, law enforcement and buildings, and above all planning? Who’s the guy/gal in charge of every ministry?

The one who actually runs the ministry’s affairs on a day to day basis? The one who actually implements the policies and promises made on the floors of the state legislatures and Lok Sabhas and during election campaigns? It is the Secretary of that Department and the senior level officers.

Who are all of them? They are mostly-if not ALL-IAS/IPS/IFS officers.

I rest my case.