{"id":204,"date":"2004-12-19T04:55:34","date_gmt":"2004-12-19T09:55:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/server97.snhdns.com\/~ravik\/wp\/?p=204"},"modified":"2004-12-19T04:55:34","modified_gmt":"2004-12-19T09:55:34","slug":"addendum-to-goals-et-al","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ravikiran.com\/blog\/classic\/200412\/addendum-to-goals-et-al\/","title":{"rendered":"Addendum to Goals et al"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In the last few posts, I have been talking a lot about goals. Goals for humans, for humanity, for nature, for evolution. All and sundry seem to be brimming with goals.<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nI guess I should point out that I mean &#8220;goal&#8221; in a purely ontological sense, similar to people like Richard Dawkins et al. For example: when I say that the <i>goal<\/i> of a protein compound is to replicate, I only mean that protein compounds that replicate, are the ones that end up existing. And hence, one can <i>imagine<\/i> as if the existing protein compounds had a goal of replicating.<\/p>\n<p>One does not presuppose free-will, consciousness, intelligence or anything for the above concept of a goal.<\/p>\n<p>This answers one question that some people had &#8211; that evolution was supposed<br \/>\nto be a random spontaneous process, wherefrom does a &#8220;goal&#8221; come from?<br \/>\nIn the above ontological sense,  the &#8220;goal&#8221; of evolution, of the organic players<br \/>\nin evolution, can be said to be survival. <\/p>\n<p>But in the previous post, I&#8217;ve said that the goal of Nature is too complex to describe. If it can be summed up in one word &#8211; survival &#8211; how come it is too complex to describe?<\/p>\n<p>Well, imagine you are giving a math exam, and you have to find the integral of a complicated looking function. It is clearly insufficient to say that the answer is  <i>some<\/i> function. Saying that the goal of evolution is survival is almost that bad. &#8220;Survival&#8221; has finer and finer nuances. As the previous post pointed out, for protein compounds, it was mere replication. But for animals, it was being happy. Being in a happy state is a finer nuance of surviving. Similarly, for humans, to remain in a vegetative\/bovine state of idle happiness is ground finer &#8211; we have to create, to control and to know. To achieve creative progress.<br \/>\nThis is a finer nuance of survival than merely remaining happy. In a sense, we survive &#8220;better&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>We do not know how far this would go. That is, we do not know the &#8220;ultimate&#8221; nuance of survival.<\/p>\n<p>Addendum to Addendum: Given that the goal is merely ontological, why should the agents in the present follow that goal? If individual human agents have a goal to be happy and go live a simple life in a farm, then that has more face value than some non-existent metaphorical construct of a goal eh?<\/p>\n<p>You see, evolution finds finer and finer nuances of survival (of all the agents). In other words, the functions that have &#8220;evolved&#8221; enable the agents to survive  &#8220;better&#8221;. In that sense, it should be the goal of the agents to <i>use<\/i> those functions. The continuation of the increase in survival complexity depends on it.<br \/>\nThe concept of free-will confuses people here. An agent can <i>choose<\/i> to do what it wants right? Isn&#8217;t this need more real? People don&#8217;t understand that these needs &#8211; to be happy, to achieve creative progress &#8211; are all tools at the hand of evolution. Or rather at the hands of the agents in the evolutionary pool.<\/p>\n<p>These needs\/functions are evolutionarily hardwired into us. So, when I say we &#8220;should&#8221; work towards creative progress,  it&#8217;s required both from an evolutionary standpoint, but also from a fulfillment standpoint.<\/p>\n<p>Another doubt people have is how does it make sense to talk about working towards the goals of humanity. &#8220;Humanity&#8221; as a superstructure does not exist, does it even make sense to work towards its goals? That is why I was talking about distributed computing. Each agent is next to useless. But together they describe a complicated goal function. <\/p>\n<p>The set of interacting species, with their individual goals, by construction, define some global goal function of survival.<br \/>\nThe set of interacting humans, with their individual goals, by construction, define<br \/>\nsome global goal function &#8211; which is a finer nuance of survival. Creative Progress. This is purely a high level view. <\/p>\n<p>Individual humans have to create, to control, to know. This is at the level of an individual human. So long as he does that, as opposed to sit in a chair being day-dreamingly happy, the global thing is automatic.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the last few posts, I have been talking a lot about goals. Goals for humans, for humanity, for nature, for evolution. 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