Long back I realised that it is impossible to prove that God does not exist unless you make the assumption that He is a benevolent God. But today I have to ask all theists amoung you: If you think there is a benevolent God, why did He choose to inflict K S Sudarshan on us?
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Gary,
I don’t need to prove anything. My own experiences in life have led me to
believe what I believe. I am not saying I am right and you are wrong. I
am not one to make that determination. I respect other’s beliefs and
would never shove my beliefs on to someone else, I only express my viewpoints as others have on this subject. My final statement is this. If I believe in God and he does really exist, GREAT. If I believe in God and he does not exist, no harm done, If I don’t believe in God and he does exist, I regret this for eternity. I’d rather be safe than sorry.
David,
Objectivity is more objection than object. This object, god, you boast of belief in, brooks no objection. And it is more hedge than faith.
Are you familiar with Hume’s thesis on the miraculous? Have you read Plato’s “Euthydemus”? Do you recognize a difference between natural rational necessity? Between matter transcendence? Between the episteme and the matheme?
Time is love. Duration, or extension, is its opposite. But that opposition has a dialectical efficacy. That is, there is a kind of reality to the incapacity to find the love time is within the duration of its entailing extension eventuating a space of time so vacuated of love time is occasioning awakening to the actuality of the differing love is. Only that reality and that actuality is what love is. But there is no space of time but that awakening wherein we find it. There is no hedging it.
Gary,
I do not boast my beliefs. My comments are merley an expression and are based on life experiences. We can argue this issue back and forth and prove nothing. We will not know for sure until we actually die and as I stated earlier, I would rather be safe than sorry. END OF STORY.
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David,
I have tried to be both direct and meaningful.
“God was right—when I searched for him with all my heart. I found him!â€
Please read my entries, view my pictures and video at MySpace, and I’m sure that you’ll come to the realization that “God†is very real!
My book, “God & Me and Hepatitis C,†is nearing completion and will be available in September 2007. In 2001, hepatitis C and severe liver cirrhosis was killing me. Medical experts confirmed my liver might only last a year. “God & Me and Hepatitis C†is the true story of my promise to God. When I accepted Jesus into my heart, I opened a direct relationship with God. I promised God that if he gave me back my health and showed me miracles I would tell people. This is a promise I will keep.
In “God & Me and Hepatitis C†you will read about God’s miracles, and how he guided our family across Canada, from our home in Alberta to Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and finally London, Ontario, for me to have a life-saving liver transplant. You will also read about how he gave me the strength and knowledge to battle hepatitis C, depression, liver transplantation, gall bladder removal, sugar Diabetes, organ rejection, inguinal hernia, pneumonia, deep vein thrombosis, ischemic bowel, massive small bowel resection, Bell’s palsy, and basal cell carcinoma. You will also read about the biggest miracle God gave me—the strength and wisdom to stand up against and fight the Devil, who was using crystal methamphetamine to tighten his grip on one of our sons.
Segments of “God & Me and Hepatitis C†are written by my wife, Gloria, who is my support person and was always at my side. Other parts are written by our four sons who picked me up when I fell and carried me when I couldn’t walk. We tried to transfer not just words, but our feelings, onto each and every page.
When you read “God & Me and Hepatitis C†I hope you feel the gentle hands of an angel pull you into the story, so you can share the roller coaster ride that my family and I have been on over the past six years; a ride filled with challenges, demons, miracles, and medical dream teams.
I pray to God that “God & Me and Hepatitis C†will provide hope and inspiration for people who are staring directly into death’s eyes, and also help those who are dealing with the challenges and demons that ride on the devil’s coat tail.
Please visit my pictures that are posted on this site. The graphic nature of these images may be disturbing to some, however, please remember this is not a TV drama, movie, or dress rehearsal. They are real pictures, and tell a real story.
I will post chapter segments from “God & Me and Hepatitis C†on this site every two weeks.
Here is a sneak preview from chapter one, I See the Light.
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Fighting back the tears and squeezing my wife’s hand as tight as I could, I said, “God, my name is Dan Phillips. Please God, please thank the donor for the liver I am about to receive. God, please keep my liver donor in a special place in heaven, so when you call me home, I’ll be able to thank them in person for their precious gift. God, would you also please bless my liver donor’s family. Thank you God, thank you in Jesus’ name. Amen!â€
“I know I’ll be okay,†I said, looking up at my wife Gloria. “I wanted God to know just how truly grateful I am for the gift I’m about to receive.â€
Gloria’s face was flushed. This day had sucked the energy out of her, and she looked tired and drained. Twenty-four hours ago she was watching the youngest of our four boys play hockey in a small town just north of Winnipeg, Manitoba. . . .
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Gloria: Dan looked extremely frail, holding my own hand with his incredibility thin hands. Looking up at me with yellow eyes, I couldn’t believe this was the same man who would stack our four boys on his back and give them pony rides around the house. My husband, lover, and best friend was lying in front of me just outside the operating room. . . .
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Tears slowly ran down my cheeks as I lay quietly, staring at the big doors in front of me. Behind those doors, preparations were being made for a highly qualified medical team to remove my liver. The largest internal organ in my body would be replaced with a liver that was born, raised, and nurtured in someone else’s body. . . .
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There were only two paths out—one leading to the Intensive Care Unit (ICU); the other to the morgue. This was one of the few times in my life I was lost for words; I had no philosophies, no theories, no quotations. I just laid there staring at those big doors. . . .
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Tears streamed down my thin, worn face. Our eyes met, and I knew we didn’t have much time left together. Now was the time to say goodbye. My body was tingling—Jesus was in my heart. . . .To be continued
Please join me on March 27th, 2007, when more of chapter one, I See the Light will be posted, along with a sneak peak at chapter two, Intensive – Care.
Im Very Confuzed About This Whole God Thing.
Has Anybody Got Any Points On Why He Dosnt Exsist
Or Any Points On Why He Does ?
For the last 10 years I studied all science and religion to prove God does not exsist……and just as I thought I was right, I was wrong and as born again Cristain I cant believe I ever thought otherwise.
Holly,
It takes a living being to be a participant in a causal nexus without losing its place within that causality. No god can cause anything without making itself an alien to the world in which it is caused. The problem humans run into is that we cannot envision being the cause of anything without imagining ourselves in some sense god-like. But we can only actually be that cause if we submit our part in that causality to being dethroned from that imagined transcendence to it. I call it the inefficient cause.
come on do you really think mans theory is right? Ha Ha we cant even
govern ourselfs man lies to each other all the time.
You want true peace find Christ.
Better to find the truth now then after DEATH.
Here is something to think about one out of one will die
do you really want to find out then that there is a GOD..
The wonderful thing about God is that he is God. He is not a forceful God. He will never force you to believe. He is a God of free-will. He does not want people to believe in Him by coersion but to believe with their heart and by their chioce. That in it self is the only ‘god’ I will submit to. I will never believe in the very thing that forces me to believe it in.
Believing in God is NOT easy. In fact, it is in our human nature to resist Him. The ways of men will never comprehend the ways of God. YOU can try but you will never succeed not without the help God.
I encourage you to do so because by doing so you will prove the very thing you were trying to disprove. It is quite… beautiful!
The most amazing thing about God is He loves those that hate Him. Not one man in the world can or ever will do that!
God is all and within all; all are one God.
That may sound rude, odd, or evil to some people.. But I think we are all one . We’re all God.
One attracts her/his reality ‘according to quantum physics , law of attraction, or law of vibration’ we do create our realities.
People who dont know how powerful they are, cause suffering to themselves. suffering is also a result of greed, deep hidden hatred for the source ‘creator or god’ and general hatred does cause suffering too, just like fear, and spiritual ignorance in a person’s, or humanity’s, lifetime/s.
However suffering is sometimes occurring to further spiritual growth and learn a life lesson.
Each one of us has her/his higher self that is the most perfect form of “you” that exists in the universe. It is always gently guiding you on your journey through life. It’s guidance manifests itself in your life in many ways: as a still small voice, as vivid images, as flashes of insight, feelings ‘aka emotional guidance system’ and as intuition and knowingness.
Your Higher Self has been with you since the beginning and through the end of time. It knows you far better than you can know yourself – simply because it is the totality of all your selves: past, present, and future.
It does not and cannot feel these types of pain: they cannot even remember it. And sometimes they have no choice but to let you fall into the hole and get hurt. Them’s the rules! After all, to learn our lessons we have to make mistakes. Thats part of the way to enlightment.
I believe in continual rebirth–no death–as life is spirit. Our souls rest for a time before deciding on a new body (or bodies). Heaven and hell are states of consciousness, self-imposed, due to ignorance of God as all.
So basicly, i think, there’s no original sin, no Satan, and no evil. People make “mistakes” when they are ignorant of the power of goodness, which is God, within themselves and others. We are all good human beings in the process to enlightment. I also believe in the famous saying ” What goes around, comes around ”.
Salvation lies in the realization of oneness with the impersonal life force. Oneness = God is all and within all; all are one God.
I hear people saying things like; ”god gets angry or upset from us”! I dont think god would ever get angry. Anger is a feeling based on fear. God does not fear. God is the infinite power. God is love. The power of all powers. So basicly I dont believe in hell… which if I talk about we’ll bring me back to anger, revenge, … fear, and so on.
all you all are fool, u don’t reason at all. Especially that god suck,He is a damn silly.
God and the believe in him is killing our world. We will never lift the shackels of oppression while we are enslaved to a religion. Religion is used to insight hatred (just look at the middle east) and keep the poor and uneducated under control (things will be better when you die). It scares me how many people still believe (I think it is fear of death) in a higher power. Just look at the elections all the candidates are spouting off at a record rate about how much faith they have, even my hero Hilary (she has come down a few pegs) but I gave up years ago trying to talk sense into people because it is so entrenched into their believe systems that to come to terms with the fact there is no god would make their life a lie. So all we can hope for is the next generation will have more sense, lets tell them there is no god the same time we explain there is not santa, tooth fairy, and easter bunny. Lets lead a full life free of shackels and look forward to the peace that death will one day bring. You were not afraid before you were born and you will not be after, that is what you should have faith in. Spread the word get the young to free us from religouse oppression and prejeduce, give peace a chance as john L would say. Imagin the world without religion, imagin the peace without god to fight about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God & Me and Hepatitis “C”
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Miracle. Most dictionaries define the word as “an event affecting the physical world that surpasses all known human powers and is ascribed to a supernatural source.” Somehow the definition does not do the actual event justice. In the case of my friend and colleague Dan Phillips, a whole series of these events had to come together in order for him to continue living. And they had to come together at the right time, in the right order. If any one event was the least bit out of step, Dan would be dead right now and I’d be writing his obituary instead of the foreword to his book.
I don’t know what your particular situation is. Perhaps, like Dan was, you are facing your own mortality because of a serious or terminal illness. Perhaps you have a family member who is ill, and you are seeking hope and guidance. Perhaps you are more like I was, a friend who is watching another friend slowly dying, and feeling powerless to help. In any case you hold in your hands a book that proves that miracles happen. And they are not like lightning, never striking twice in the same place. Nor are they here for the flash of a moment and then inaccessible again.
Perhaps you think that Dan was someone special, or that he somehow deserved his restoration because of some incredible good deed or a lifetime lived close to God. This is not the case. I knew Dan for years before he was struck down by hepatitis C, and I can bear witness to the fact that Dan was much like you or me—a family man, a businessman. An average decent guy who liked to golf and coach hockey. A guy who put away his share of beer and good food, and enjoyed the companionship of like-minded people. Dan was not physically predisposed to overcoming such an attack against his body. He had a fairly healthy track record and was rarely sick, but at that time he was a big guy, tipping the scales at some 260 pounds. No, there was nothing particular about Dan that would bring him to the notice of an Almighty God. Nothing, that is, except faith.
Dan’s story is primarily one of faith and confidence in God and His son Jesus Christ. In my view, the miracles that followed were the result of that positive focus and unshakeable faith that he would be healthy again. Dan’s experience would also seem to confirm the biblical tenet that faith and a positive mindset can overcome anything.
If you need hope, encouragement, and proof that there is a God that loves you, cares about you, and wants to heal your body, soul, and spirit, then this is the book for you. I invite you to read on and share Dan’s experience as it is truly amazing. I watched a robust, driven businessman waste away very nearly to death. In fact, there was a point when I thought I was seeing Dan for the last time. Now, every time I see Dan and his family together, I am overcome with joy and the sheer wonder of God’s goodness and power.
Read on, and experience this miraculous faith for yourself.
Neil Batchelor
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
March 2007
The Bible says: —–Keep on asking—–Keep on seeking—–Keep on knocking.
I kept asking and asking—and He answered me. I kept seeking and seeking him with all my heart—and I found Him. I kept knocking and knocking—and He opened the door.
I believe in God, but in the back of my mind there has always been a tiny grey area that houses a speck of doubt on whether God exists. God removed all doubt when he showed me two unexplainable events leading up to and during my liver transplant. If God hadn’t shown me those two events, I wouldn’t have spent the last two years gathering information from 6 different medical facilities or sorted through my wife’s notes to write a book about God. .
There is no rhyme or reason why I should live while others die. I believe God let me stay with my family for His purpose and to complete His plan. I don’t know what the future holds for me or how long I’ll be here. I made a promise to God, and I will keep my promise by telling my story. I understand how my story might sound to other people. I know what I’d be thinking if someone else was telling it to me. However, please look at my pictures, read the story and be the judge.
God showed me the first unexplainable event a week before Christmas in 2001. At that time I was the 125th person on the liver transplant list. While Gloria was in a deep sleep beside me, our room became illuminated and a man stood at my feet. The man stepped towards me and put his hands on me and began to rub me all over. Out of the corner of my eye, I noticed large talons hooked over the edge of the night table beside me. I looked up to see a huge eagle, with black piercing eyes and a fierce hooked beak, looking down at me. The man said to the eagle, “Watch over him.”
I’ve searched for answers over the past 5 years and have talked with Pastors, Priests and Ministers from across the country and as far away as Ethiopia, and my questions are still unanswered. Within 37 days I went from being the 125th person on the transplant list to receiving a perfectly matched liver on January 27th, 2002 and have made one of the most remarkable recoveries in liver transplant history.
The second unexplainable event occurred during the transplant operation. God brought my consciousness to a special place, where there was a beautiful warm white light which got brighter and brighter. I felt strong and powerful, yet very peaceful. My mind was clear and I knew that I was in the operating room on the table having a liver transplant. After experiencing those two unexplainable events, I realized that it wasn’t luck, fate or a coincidence that I’m alive today. I’m here because God has a purpose for me, and I believe it is to share my story. That is why I have spent the last two years writing God & Me and Hepatitis “C”.
Here’s some more of chapter one: “I See the Light”
Within an hour we were whisked to the airport by taxi. A Lear Jet was warming up on the runway, waiting to fly us to London, Ontario. In no time, Gloria was looking down at me as I lay on a stretcher just outside the operating room at one of Canada’s finest multi-organ-transplant hospitals.
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Swoosh. The big operating room doors flung open. Two tall, slim nurses wearing grass-green operating-room attire and funny little light-blue bonnets came towards me….
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Gripping my wife’s hand tightly and looking up at her through tear-filled eyes, I reached deep within myself, gathered all the love and compassion in my heart, and said….
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I felt confused and alone, watching my wife walk away. She was my support and companion throughout my fight with hepatitis C. Now here I was, entering the operating room for the biggest fight of my life. And she wouldn’t be there to cheer me on….
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“Dan . . . Dan.” The nurse at the end of my stretcher touched my foot. We were approaching the operating table.
“You look so calm,” she said.
“I am,” I replied. “There’s nothing for me to fear in this room. I’m in good hands. I’m in Jesus’ hands.” I knew in my heart God has a plan for me. Not even the Boo Birds of depression, with their dark crow like features and cone shaped beaks that continually fill my head with horrible twisted thoughts can slow me down now. My time is here. I was going the distance with God’s help….
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The surgeon made a lengthy incision following my rib cage form the left to down my right side to expose my liver, which was partially covered by my lower right ribs….
Here is a peek at Chapter Two “Intensive – Care”
My body was relaxing, but I needed a lot more morphine to slow the activity happening in my mind. I hoped it would take me to a place where my troubles would disappear. The drug was giving me a carefree feeling, and I was enjoying the ride. My mind slowed down. Only one question remained, turning over and over as if in slow motion….
Why would people donate parts of their body to save another person? Reaching for my bible, I gently pulled the book closer to my side. I could feel something unique starting to grow in my heart. The answer to the question was forming in my mind. Jesus said, “Love thy neighbor.” Is there any greater act of love than donating an organ from your body, or the blood that flows through your veins, to save a person’s life…….To be continued
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Not all Atheists are stupid. However, all who have posted here are. God cannot be disproven or proven with concrete proof. You who claim that ‘faith’ is stupid and blind, you are pathetic in your lack of thought!
do you really not realize that YOU HAVE FAITH THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST?
Regardless of what you believe, it takes faith either way!
There is no solid proof either way. No matter what you believe you are using FAITH. The only alternative is to be an Agnostic.
how do you think the world was created? The big bang, sit at a table with nothing in front of you now try to create make something,you cant! You cannot create something from nothing,so there had to be a creator.It could not have just happened!
To be honest, I dislike religion, merely for the fact that it has either caused or had a part to play in every single war i can think of.
Ok you could say its the people twisting the religion, which is a fair point, but surely religion is there to be twisted. Look at muslim bombers, dying for their 72 virgins. I do believe that the concept of christianity is good, love thy neighbour etc. However it seems that most Christians have become too pre-occupied with convinces everyone God exists than living by these morals.
I am an athiest and I live by morals because i choose to be a good person, not because I read a book and am now doing whatever it tells me.
Cheers for reading.
The big bang is believed by most physicists to have been a result of two (of eleven) parellel dimensions crashing into each other and creating a massive explosion of matter which we can not even begin to concieve, so it does not prove that God exists. But the really tricky question is who created those dimensions. I am agnostic but not athiest, if anyone can prove to me how existence itself occured without a creator please tell me and I will turn athiest now.
Hello, well most of you people probalbly wont get this message because you posted so long ago but anyway is still want to answer: First off I am a Christian and i am not ashamed to admit that. I once however was an Athiest and I see where you are coming from on your opinions, and statements. I once belived in the same things that all of you are currently talking about. However, the evidince of Gos’s Soverinty in my life makes it impossible for me to believe that there is not a God. A point I want to make and firmly make is that The Bible DOES NOT contridict itself EVER EVER. I have neb=ver found one contridiction in the Word (The Bible). I have read several things about the contridictions of God’s soverinty and free will and that is absolutly untrue. God created us in six days. Do you know why He created us? Out of love and love only. He created us to be perfect. But, he knew that love can not be ture love if it is forced. Think of it this way if i put you in a headlock and told you to tell me that you loved me is that really love? No, of course not, therefore God gave us a choice whether or not to love him. So he put the Tree of knowledge of Good and evil in the garden. Adam and Eve made the choice to sin against God and so They had to leave. As you see, God was in control of that and he wasnt forcefull so it can be true that we have choice while God is Sovriegn. Another point I want to make is that the Bible wasnt written by Man it was written By GOD and it says that many times throughout the BIble. God wrote it and has maintained it through the history of the Earth. This is all i have time for to type i will be on later to finosh. I just want to say that I love all of you and am praying that your blinders are taken off and you see the truth. GOD EXISTS!
John 3:16
2nd Corrinthians 5:21
Genisis 1:1-31
and the rest of the Bible
I don’t believe in God, but consider this (to play devil’s advocate)
God made a rock he could not lift; then he lifted it.
I came across this website by accident.
“proof that God does not exist” was not what i was looking for.
-If i believed in God i wouldnt be looking for proof that he doesnt exist.
-If i didnt believe in God then perhaps i would be looking for another good argument to stump a well meaning but not helpful christian who is trying to shove their religion down my throat. but i wasnt.
However im not sure why any christian would seek out this website just to refute arguemnts by people who dont actually want to debate, they want to argue.
If you are an athiest this isnt the best place to get answers. but its a great place to vent, so go nuts!
Question for Austin:
“Another point I want to make is that the Bible wasnt written by Man it was written By GOD and it says that many times throughout the BIble”
Can you give me the references to where it says that God wrote the Bible?
For Chris:
Dude thats the best answer i’ve ever heard to that can God make a rock he could not lift. the first person to answer that question logically and it was an athiest, haha thats irony for ya.
I was taught as a kid that God would hear it if I prayed. so I prayed often and about all kinds of things. Sometimes it would seem as if i got no answer. other times it was as if the answer was immediate. co-incidence was a great way to explain away the ones that were an answer. and for the ones with no answer “no” might of been the answer that i really needed.
BUt here is one that will always keep me thinking:
I was riding my bike with my cousin, his was a mountain bike capable of faster speeds then my bmx. also my bmx wheel bearing had been crudely ‘fixed’ by welding it. so there was no brakes and as long as you were moving the petals kept moving, you couldnt coast along.
So we went down this big hill to the creek at the bottom (we are in the countryside). to the left the road was cut out of the hill, so a gravel bank; to the right a drop off which realistically would brake a few bones but as a kid it seemed imminent death.
I got going too fast and couldnt slow the bike down and started to get the speed wobbles coming up to a sharp corner.
I freaked out cos i thought i was gonna crash and go off the drop off and die (yes, i exadurated, i was a kid!).
so i took my feet off the petals (which i was fighting as they were going around with the wheel), closed my eyes and prayed that God would save me.
open my eyes and i am around the corner, the bike has stopped and i put my foot down to stop it falling over sideways.
My cousin who was already down the hill looking back saw me what he described as ‘powerslide’ around the corner and come to a stop.
CO-INCIDENCE!
the technical side: the speed of the petals going around without me trying to slow them caused a huge amount of extra speed. the chain jumped off, got jammed at the back and caught the petal as it was going around, causing a dead stop to the wheel – hense the powerslide.
the chain JUST HAPPENED to jump off and just happened to catch the petal at the exact right time.
BUT HOW THE HECK did i get around that corner with my eyes shut is beyond me!
If your a christian you will undoubtidly say “that was God”
If your an athiest you will probably say “wow, that is a pretty huge co-incidence and you have incredible luck and skill, but God still doesnt exist and cant hear your prayers”
HAHA, this whole thread is pointless. im not even going to tell you what i believe because there is no point!
Mike C.
Your asking the impossible; no-one can and will ever be able to proove anything to you because you are an agnostic.
here’s a light hearted question to ponder
Q: how do i know that i even exist. i might actually be like the matrix and plugged into a computer that sends electrical pulses that tell my brain what to percieve and tells me that i feel something but its not actually there.
A: whom may i say is asking?
“I have neb=ver found one contridiction in the Word (The Bible).”
Read Genesis, then explain how many of each ritually clean animal was brought aboard the Ark. (If you respond that there were two Floods and two Arks, congratulations: you’re doing better at logical reasoning than most “bible-is-inerrant” types.)
god is an emotion, happyness, will to go on, with out it we are nothing, with it, you believe in somthing, for evey good thing theres is a bad thing… you say you dont believe in god ..hahahha id rather believe in god than the devil you silly little idiots think about this …it is written “god is and always was”
god does exist. If you dont experience pain or be enlightened you will come again. Pain goes sinto memory bank of the spirit. Therefore when the spiit leaves the body
the spirit is not tempted to come back in the body. have you ever reacheda stage of meditation that you can tell that you are there not within the body. the spirit thinks and
materilaises itself at any location. It makes a wish and enters another body and the cycle of pain and pleasure continues.
!There Aint No God. Look at the world at the shape it is in. Christians claim that God is in control. Really?
For starters I’m a catholic and to be honest i have no clue to what are the teachings of my religion..but from the history books i’ve read i have come to understand that religion has been a great big part out of the wars we fought ….from big wars to small insignificant wars.
god is real are howe do you explane wher we come frome is your mom a moneky are sea wead i mean come on if god dont exist then why has hiss wourd the bible not changed sence it was translated frome the scrolls and why is it that when people are in a bad situation thy cry out god help me if you nead proof contact me i will pray with you and help you git your proof
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